this is more about midterm elections now. they are not going it appeal obamacare. that ship has sailed. this is about using this to win 2014. >> let's take the political element because it's boring. what if monica says and rove says and krauthammer says is true? >> let me give you some family. the kaiser family. >> no. what if they say is true, are you going to say if it does collapse, are you going to say yeah, it was -- as you are accusing the right wingers of doing or are you going to go down because as you said president obama is going to go down with the ship. >> if it does collapse. i don't believe it will. >> if it does. >> if, if, if. it's not going to collapse. more people are signing up. four times as many people sign on in november. republicans want to repeal it, they could. frayed once people get it they're not going to want to give it up. they will like it like they like medicare and medicaid. >> what's critical people who enroll. they need the young healthy types to sign up. >> to-to-support the old sick types. >> premiums are going to start spiking n